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Interview with Mr. Adams (the former President). We met him while we were dining with Mr. Everett. He was received with great politeness, as an honored guest, but that was all. Most of those present called
him "Sir." Some gave him the courtesy title of "President." Mr. Adams is a man sixty-two-years old who seems still
to enjoy full strength of mind and body. He speaks French with ease and elegance. I was put next to him at table and
we had a long conversation together.
I told him how surprised I was to see how far the American people were able to get along without
government; I commented among other things on the way any group of opinion was allowed to send representatives to an agreed rendez-vous and so form a convention. Mr. Adams answered: "The practice of having
these conventions is only five or six years old. Now we have them for all sorts of things. But to tell you frankly
what I think, I find these assemblies dangerous. They usurp the place of political bodies and could end by
completely thwarting their action."
We spoke of the character of Americans in general and he said: "There are two facts which have had a great influence on our character. In the North the political and religious doctrines of the founders of New England;
in the South, slavery."
Q. Do you look on slavery as a great plague for the United States?
A. Yes, certainly That is the root of almost all the troubles of the present and fears for the future.
Q. Do the Southerners realize that state of affairs?
A. Yes, at the bottom of their hearts. But it is a truth that they will not admit, although they are
clearly preoccupied about it. Slavery has altered the whole state of society in the South. There the whites form a class to themselves which has all the ideas, all the passions, all the prejudices of an aristocracy, but do not be
mistaken, nowhere is equality between the whites so complete as in the South. Here we have great equality before
the law, but it simply does not affect our ways of life.
There are upper classes and working classes. Every white man in the South is an equally privileged being whose destiny it is to make the Negroes work without working himself. You cannot conceive how far the idea
that work is shameful has entered into the spirit of the Americans of the South.
Any undertaking in which the Negroes cannot serve in a subordinate role is sure not to succeed in
that part of the Union. All those who trade in a large way in Charleston and the town have come from New England.
I remember a Southern congressman who was dining with me in Washington, and who could not conceal his
surprise at seeing white servants serving us at table. He said to Mrs. Adams: "I feel that it is degrading the human
race to have white men for servants. When one of them comes to change my plate, I am always tempted to offer him
my place at the table."
From the idleness in which the whites in the South live, spring great differences in their character.
They devote themselves to bodily exercises, to hunting and races. They are strongly built, brave and very honorable; they are more touchy about "points of honor" than people anywhere else; duels are frequent.
Q. Do you think that actually it is impossible to do without Negroes in the South?
A. I am convinced to the contrary. Europeans cultivate the land in Greece and in Sicily; why should they not do so in Virginia or the Carolinas? It is not hotter thee.
Q. Is the number of slaves increasing?
A. It is diminishing in all the provinces to the East of the Delaware, because there wheat and tobacco are grown, and for those crops Negroes are more hindrance than help. So they are sent from there to the
provinces where cotton and sugar are grown; in those provinces their numbers increase. In the States of the West
where they have been introduced, their numbers remain small. I know nothing more insolent than a black, when he
is not speaking to his master and is not afraid of a beating. It is not rare even to see Negroes treating their master
very badly when they have to do with a weak man. The Negro women especially very often take advantage of their
mistresses' kindness. They know that it is not the custom to inflict corporal punishment on them.
We spoke of religion which Mr. Adams seemed to consider as one of the principal guarantees of American society. I asked him whether he thought that religious feeling was on the decline in the United
States.
"If one compares the present with the state of affairs a century ago," he answered, "yes; but if one compares things as they are today with how they were forty years ago, I think religion has gained, not lost, ground
with us. Forty years ago the philosophy of Voltaire in France, and the school of Hume in England, had shaken all
the beliefs of Europe. The rebound was felt in America. Since then the crimes of the French Revolution have made a
profound impression on us; there was spiritual reaction, and one feels the effect of it still."
"But consider," I said to him, "the road which men's minds have traveled since their point of
departure in Catholicism. Do you not think that this progress is continuing, and do you not see the Unitarianism of the country as the last link in a chain leading from Christianity to natural religion?"
Mr. Adams agreed that that was his view. He added: "Nevertheless all the Boston Unitarians protest
strongly against the consequence of their doctrine, and firmly stick to the extreme position they have taken up."
Mr. Adams appeared to think that one of the greatest guarantees of order and internal security in the
United States was found in the movement of the population towards the West."Many more generations yet will
pass," he added, "before we feel that we are overcrowded."
I then spoke to him about the more immediate dangers to the Union and the causes which might lead to its dissolution. Mr. Adams did not answer at all, but it was easy to see that in this matter he felt no more
confidence than I did in the future.
Mr. Adams has just been elected to Congress. Many people are surprised that he accepted. He is the first President who has re-entered public affairs.
(Tocqueville, p.48)
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