September 19 - Interview with Jared Sparks

Journal entry

Conversation with Mr. Jared Sparks
Mr. Sparks (a distinguished Boston literary man) said to me today: "Most enlightened men now recognize that General Jackson is not fitted to fill the office of President; his limited experience of anything to do with civil government and his great age make him incompetent. But he will be re-elected."

"And why will that be?" I asked.

"Our people," Mr. Sparks answered, "is not like yours. With us public opinion forms slowly. It is never carried away by surprise, although it is very subject to mistakes. It took long and patient work to put it into the head of the public that General Jackson was a great man and that he brought honor to America. The people were persuaded to believe this. There has not been time yet to bring them round to other feelings and the majority is still at the General's disposal."

(Tocqueville, p. 36)

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September 20 - Observations on government

Interview with Cambridge University President

Mr. Quincy, President of Cambridge University said to me today: "The State of Massachusetts is a union of little republics who appoint their magistrates and manage their own affairs.

"But," said I, "what is the central tie?"

"The Legislature," Mr. Quincy answered. "These little republics have a sphere of action fixed by the Law, and outside that they become completely dependent on the great political body which represents the people. When individual communities break the Law, they are prosecuted in the courts by the State Attorney-General. They can also be sued by anyone who has been harmed by them. Such-and-such a town is bound to repair a road, neglects it and I break my carriage there. I bring an action for damages at once against the town."

Mr. Quincy also said to me: "I think our present happy state is even more due to circumstances outside our control than to our constitution. Here all a man's material needs are satisfied and furthermore we are born in freedom, knowing no other state. Massachusetts was very, very nearly as free before the Revolution as it is now. We have put the peoples name in place of that of the king. For the rest one finds nothing changed among us."

Note: One of the happiest consequences of the absence of government (when a people is happy enough to be able to do without it, a rare event) is the ripening of individual strength which never fails to follow from it. Each man learns to think and to act for himself without counting on the support of any outside power which, however watchful it be, can never answer all the needs of man in society.

The man thus used to seeking his well-being by his own efforts alone stands the higher in his own esteem as well as in that of others: he grows both stronger and greater of soul. Mr. Quincy gave an example of that state of things when he spoke of the man who sued the town that had let the public road fall into disrepair; the same goes for all the rest. If a man gets the idea of any social improvement whatsoever, a school, a hospital, a road, he does not think of turning to the authorities. He announces his plan, offers to carry it out, calls for the strength of other individuals to aid his efforts, and fights hand to hand against each obstacle.

I admit that in fact he often is less successful than the authorities would have been in his place, but, in the total, the general result of all these individual strivings amounts to much more than any administration could undertake; and moreover the influence of such a state of affairs on the moral and political character of a people would more than make up for all the inadequacies if there were any.

But one must say it again, there are but few peoples who can manage like that without government. Such a state of affairs can only exist at the two extremes of civilization. The savage with nought but his physical needs to satisfy, he too relies only on himself. For the civilized man to be able to do the same, he must have reached that state of society in which knowledge allows a man to see clearly what is useful for him and in which his passions do not prevent him carrying it out. The most important care of a good government should be to get people used little by little to managing without it.

(Tocqueville, p. 38)

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Journal entry on Massachusetts

We have gone through the State of Massachusetts at its widest point, going from Albany to Boston [Sept. 7-9]; we found its aspect entirely different from that of New York State. There are no more log-houses, no more burnt trees, no more trunks abandoned in the middle of fields; in a word, no more traces of the wilderness. The fields are well cultivated. The country has an old-established look. Almost all the houses are charming (especially in the villages), and there prevails a height of cleanliness which is something astonishing. The countryside itself is more picturesque; there are many mountains.

20th September 1831. Boston is a pretty town in a picturesque site on several hills in the middle of the waters.

What we have seen of its inhabitants up to now is completely different from those of New York. Society, at least that to which we have been introduced, and I think it the best, is almost exactly like that of the upper classes in Europe. Luxury and refinement prevail there. Almost all the women speak French well, and all the men we have met up till now have been in Europe. Their manners are distinguished and their conversation turns on intellectual subjects; one feels one has escaped from those commercial habits and that money-conscious spirit which makes New York society so vulgar.

In Boston there are already a certain number of people, who, having nothing to do, seek out the pleasures of the mind. There are some people who write. We have already seen three or four very nice libraries, all literary. (I ought also to note that we hardly see anyone except people of distinction. But they are of a different sort from the men of distinction in New York). Besides it would seem that the prejudice against people who do nothing (by and large a useful prejudice) is still strong at Boston. As in all the States that we have been through up to now, at Boston intellectual work is especially directed to religious subjects. Out of twenty-five semi-periodical works or magazines that we found in the Athenaeum there are twelve that are more or less concerned with religious matters.

(Tocqueville, p. 208)

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September 21 - Interview with Mr. Gray and notes on morals

Interview with Mr. Gray

Mr. Gray is a Senator of the State of Massachusetts. He is moreover a very talented man.

"Have you," I asked him, "a collection of laws regulating municipal government?"
"No," answered Mr. Gray, "we have general principles. All the rest is a matter of custom."

Q. What are those principles and how are they applied in practice?
A. The general principle is that the whole people by its representatives has the right to look after all
local affairs, but it should refrain from exercising that right in everything that relates to the internal
management of the localities, police laws, administration of the revenues, and undertakings which only concern the locality.
The Legislature never does interfere in these matters: the local authorities themselves do all these things through their annually appointed officers. The rules agreed is that as long as the local authority is acting only on its own account and does not injure anybody's rights, it is all-powerful in its sphere. Hence, it has the unlimited right to tax itself to meet the cost of certain undertakings, and its budget is never subject to review.

Q. When a local authority disobeys the law, what happens then?
A. The Prosecutor General cites it as it would an individual before the grand jury of the county in which it is placed. None of its inhabitants can be a juror, and if there is just cause, it is fined. ...

(Tocqueville, p. 40)


Journal entry on morals
M/Morals
Mr. Clay, who apparently is busy making statistical researches in this matter, told Beaumont that in Boston there were about 2,000 prostitutes. (I have great difficulty believing it). They are recruited from the country girls, who, having been seduced, have to escape from their neighborhood and family and find themselves without resources. It seems that the young men of the town frequent them.

But the fact is hidden with extreme care and the evil is limited to that, without ever passing the domestic threshold, or disturbing family life. A man who was not convicted, but suspected, of carrying on an intrigue, would immediately be excluded from society. All doors would be shut against him. Mr. Dwight told me that a venereal disease was a mark of infamy which it was very hard to wash off.

Moreover the police does not interfere in any way with prostitutes. The Americans say that it would legitimate the evil if such a remedy were used against it. Mr. Dwight told us (a thing we had already had occasion to notice in the prison reports) that of all the prisoners those who were most seldom to reform were the women of loose morals.

(Tocqueville, p. 231)

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September 22 - Interview with Mr. Lieber

Journal entry about politics and morals

Mr. Lieber (a young German exiled for his liberalism, who has become known in the United States by his work entitled Encyclopaedia Americana) said to me this evening:

"We Europeans think we can make republics by organizing a great political assembly. But on the contrary of all forms of government a republic is the one that grows most from roots in the whole of society.

Consider this country. The republic is everywhere, in the streets as much as in Congress. If there is something blocking the public way, the neighbors on the spot form a body to discuss it; they appoint a commission and put the trouble to rights by their collective effort sensibly directed. When there is a public ceremony, or a banquet, you will see it is just the same, a meeting, a discussion and an executive power will spring out of it. The idea of an authority pre-existent to those who need it, does to come into anybody's head: the people have something of the republic in the marrow of their bones."

At another time he said to us:

"How can a man who has seen America imagine that one could transplant her political laws to Europe and, especially, do so all at once. Since I have seen this country I cannot believe that M. de Lafayette held his theories in good faith; one could not deceive oneself so clumsily. For my part I get more and more inclined every day to think that constitutions and political laws are nothing in themselves. They are dead creations to which only the manners and political situation of a people can give life."

We asked him: "Is it true that morals are as chaste here as people pretend?"

He answered: "Morals are less chaste among the lower classes than among the enlightened classes; but I think that they are better than among the same classes in Europe. As to the enlightened classes, one could not imagine more perfect morals. I do not think that there has been a single intrigue in Boston society. A woman suspected is lost. But the women are very coquettish; they even are bolder in their coquettishness than our women are, for they know that they cannot beyond a certain point and that nobody will think that they will go beyond it. But I still prefer our European women with all their weaknesses to the icy, egoistic virtue of women of America.

Q. To what to you attribute the incredible control which people get here over their passion?
A. To a thousand causes: to the physical constitution, to the remains (?) of puritanism, to habits of work, to the absence of an idle or corrupted class, such as a garrison for instance, to early marriages, even to the construction of the houses, which makes the secret of an illicit liaison almost impossible to hide.

Q. People say that the young men are not chaste before marriage?
A. No, they are like English too, coarse in their tastes, but like them, they make a complete distinction between the society in which they habitually live and they which serves for their pleasures. They are as two worlds which have nothing in common one with the other. They do not try at all to seduce honest women.

While we were walking with Mr. Lieber, he pointed out a gentleman who was passing near us and said: "That man is the sheriff; he was a colonel in the army. Yesterday we met him society at the house of the Mayor of the town, Mr. Otis (P/index). Well, two months ago I saw him hang two men."

"How could that be?" said we.

"In America the sheriffs perform the functions of executioner."

Q. And there is no shame attached to such functions?
A. By no means. The sheriff executing a criminal is only obeying the law in the same way as the magistrate who condemns him to death; neither hatred nor contempt clings to his profession. It is in this respect for the agents of the law, deriving from the extreme respect in which the law itself is held (because one has made it) that makes the people feel no animosity against police officers, tax collectors and customs officials. All these employments are respected.

Reflection: What gives us most trouble in Europe in men born in a lower station in life, who have received an education which makes them long to get out of it without giving them the means to do so. In America this disadvantage of education in hardly noticeable. Education always provides the means needed to grow rich and does not create any social malaise.

(Tocqueville, p. 42)


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Journal entry about juries

J/Jury
The jury is a political institution even when it is used in civil cases. That is the fundamental
conception of which one must never lose sight; it is the point of departure for judging it.

Today I was present at a hearing in the Circuit Court. The case was as follows: a ship had been insured; it was lost. The insurer claimed that the ship was not seaworthy. The case was brought before a jury whose verdict established that the ship was in fit state to sail at the time of the agreement. ...

Counsel for the insured - Mr. Fletcher, a very good Boston lawyer - began by answering several complaints that had been made against the jury that had given the verdict in his favor. The jury were capable men. They had given their sustained attention to the case. Then dealing with the point of law, he maintained that if the judges were given discretionary power to annul the different verdicts of the juries, the institution of the jury would become a mere show without power.

He admitted nonetheless that in cases where a jury had been moved by passion, or had made a palpable and clear mistake, there was occasion to quash the verdict. But he maintained that, apart from these extraordinary cases, in all cases where, when a matter was doubtful, the jury had only followed an opinion not shared by the judge, the latter had the right to reshape the verdict. He went on from that to argue the facts.

We could not be there to hear the answer, but during the interval we were talking to one of the judges, and he said to us: "I see that what you have just heard surprises you; you cannot form a clear idea of the limits within which the functions of jury and judge are performed. Such limits are effectively fixed more by practice than by theory. We have in fact the right to quash the jury's verdict for any reason whatsoever, and send the case back before another lot of men. But it is a right that we only use in the last extremity, and when the mistake or the passion could not escape anybody's notice.

"The people attaches great importance to decision by the juries, even in civil matters; it keeps a very jealous eye open to see that nothing is done to undermine the moral authority of the jury. When a judge quashes a verdict, he takes on himself an immense responsibility. For my part I do not think that I have quashed more than ten in my life, and when I see that a jury has come to a decision for reasons which, without convincing me, nonetheless have some weight, I leave the appreciation entirely to them and respect their opinion. 99 appeals in 100 fail. And out of 50 plaintiffs there is perhaps only one who appeals to us. It is in this way that the institution of the jury, which one could make almost illusory by following theories, regains all its power in practice."

(Tocqueville, p. 229)

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September 25

Excerpt from Beaumont's letter to his brother, Achille

Tocq. [sic] and I are still in Boston, we pass our time there in perpetual motion and in the midst of a rolling fire of occupations of all kinds. It is without contradiction the most interesting city that we have seen up to the present. We are exerting every effort to penetrate to the bottom of things, and I think that we shall succeed. We see people of all kinds, of all nationalities, and of diametrically-opposed opinions. We hear them embitter the grievances of one against the other, and by deducting from each opinion the exaggeration given it by a thousand passions we have the truth. There is not a minute of our time unoccupied; we are pursued by invitations; we hardly ever dine alone at our hotel, and almost every evening we have a ball or a political meeting. ...

We have found here some men truly distinguished by their knowledge, among others a German, Mr. Lieber who got himself expelled from Germany for the exaggeration of his political principles. He had come to the United States to cease to be a Republican. Since seeing with his own eyes the differences existing between America and Europe he regards as idealogues those who would give us the government of the United States. He spends the time of his exile composing a work called the Encyclopedia Americana; he has already issued seven volumes of it. This work is highly thought of; sand he has sold it to his publisher for the bagatelle of 100,000 francs. He gave us an example.

I think that you don't grant the United States a long enough future. I readily believe that the state of affairs in which they find themselves could not perpetuate itself durably; but it seems to me that the
extraordinary circumstances in which they are placed will not change before one, perhaps two centuries, and American society will sustain itself as it is as long as it will have the same conditions of existence. ...
[written] Sept. 25, 1831

(Pierson, p. 373)

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September 27

Journal entry about civil legislation

Conversation with Mr. Curtis, a distinguished Boston lawyer, about civil legislation
Q. I have often before collected information about matters concerning civil law; but since these notions have not been acquired methodically, they are in confusion in my mind. This time, if you will allow it, we will take things in their logical order. When a man wants to start a case against another, what is the first act of procedure?

A. In each county there is an officer called the Sheriff. The sheriff is the agent of the civil power and the enforcer of its judgments. When a man wants to begin a case against another, he goes to find this official. The sheriff's order makes this summons known to his adversary.

In New England every man who claims to be a creditor and brings an action for the recovery of debt has the right to have his adversary imprisoned, or to force him to give bail. In other States of the Union, to gain power to imprison his adversary (in the case where he does not give bail), it is necessary to affirm on oath the reality of the debt. It is not like that here; the creditor, without even fulfilling this formality, can set the sheriff in motion and have his debtor imprisoned.

On the day fixed by the summons, the defendant or his lawyer appears before the tribunal and, if he is not ready, asks for an adjournment.

Q. I now understand the procedure for coming before the tribunal. Tell me now to which tribunals one can go.
A. When less than dollars are in dispute, one goes to the Justice of Peace who gives judgment without the intervention of the jury.

2nd. When it is a question of inheritance, when, for instance, an heir brings a case or a legatee wishes to claim his right, he goes to a judge (the judge of probate). This judge has both administrative and judicial functions. He does not allow the heir of the legatee to take his share until he has given bail into his hands for the value of personal property. When a case arises out of the inheritance, he judges it without the help of jurors. But the litigants can appeal to a higher court.

3rd. The third court of first instance before which one can bring one's case, is the court of common pleas. One can say that is ordinarily the competent court, and that all the others are established for cases that are an exception.

The court of common pleas is made up of a judge and twelve jurors; it is held four times a year; that is what are called terms. It's jurisdiction extends to all cases to do with the boundaries of land, and all those that can be reduced to a question of damages.

This is how matters are conducted before that court; the lawyers on one side and the other produce evidence, depositions written or verbal. They plead. The President sums up; he explains the point of law and states the question of fact. The jury retire to their room, and then pronounce a verdict which at one and the same time gives judgment on the point of fact and the point of law. But this verdict is divisible. The part that concerns the facts cannot be questioned (except before a higher court); the part that concerns the law can be annulled on the spot by the judge or quashed later by him, if the litigants claim and prove that the law has been violated.

Moreover, as a verdict never creates a precedent, if the parties do not complain, the judge leaves the verdict as it has been given, even if it be contrary to the law. (It is the judge who decides whether a question is one of fact or of law.)

The jurors are never entrusted with the interpretation of a document.

One cannot cross-question the opposite party in front of the jury. Only the Court of Chancery has the right to undertake such an examination.

I recently saw a case that lasted for nine days on end in front of the same jurors. But such an event is very rare.

4th. The fourth and last court of first instance is the Court of Chancery.

The Court of Chancery is an English. It is only thirty years ago that we introduced it into Massachusetts; it still has a more limited jurisdiction than in England or in the rest of the United States. We have no Chancellor. Before it was introduced here, its place was filled by giving part of its jurisdiction to other courts.

I regard the Court of Chancery as a necessary institution, when the jury is used in civil cases. ...

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Journal entry on education

Mr. Tuckerman, a very zealous Presbyterian minister who is particularly concerned with such matters, said to me today: For God's sake, in France don't raise a fund destined for the schools, or at least make it insufficient so that it only serves to encourage. We have observed that when the communities know that the government provides all the money for education, they become rather indifferent about their schools. But when they are putting their own money into them, they take a great interest in seeing that it is well employed. It is to that cause that we attribute the superiority of the schools in Massachusetts over those in Connecticut.

We had previously been told the same thing by Mr. Spencer at Canandaigua. He even claimed to have noticed that the same applied to every sort of communal and district interest.

(Tocqueville, p. 227)

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September 28

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Conversation with Mr. Gray
Mr. Gray told me today: "I think it is even harder to establish municipal institutions among a people than great political assemblies. When I say municipal institutions I speak not of the forms but of the very spirit that animates them. The habit of dealing with all matters by discussion, and deciding them all, even the smallest, by means of majorities, that is the hardest habit of all to acquire. But it is only that habit that shapes governments that are truly free.

That is what distinguishes New England not only from all the countries of Europe, but even from all the other parts of America. Even our children never turn to their masters. They manage everything among themselves, and there is no one of fifteen years old who has not performed a juror's functions a hundred times.

I make no doubt that the humblest man of the people at Boston has a more truly parliamentary spirit, and is more accustomed to public discussion than the greater number of your deputies. But then we have worked for two hundred years to create this spirit, and we had the English spirit and a completely republican religion as points of departure."

Q. Do you not think that the political character of the inhabitants of New England springs largely from their natural disposition?
A. Natural disposition counts for something, but it is above all the creation of laws and even more of customs.

(Tocqueville, p. 45)

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September 29

Journal entry

Mr. [Alexander] Everett, former United Sates Minister in Spain and a distinguished writer, said to me this evening: "The point of departure for a people is of immense importance. The consequences for good or evil have a bearing which constantly surprises one. Our English forefathers allowed imprisonment for a proved debt; they even allowed the much more questionable practice of imprisonment before proof. The legislation passed onto us. But it is under attack and several States have begun to modify it. In the State of New York a law which will come into force next year entirely abolishes imprisonment for debt. In Kentucky imprisonment for debt has been abolished in the case where the debt is proved, but the plaintiff is still allowed to have his adversary imprisoned before the trial. So difficult is it to overcome the habits which a nation inherits from its origin."

Mr. [Jared] Sparks said to us today: "There are general political questions concerning the whole Union, which occupy the attention of all provincial papers. They all take sides for or against the central administration. In that their collective effort is, in its lesser degree, comparable to the effect produced by the two or three great Parisian newspapers. In fact it is fairly rare for them to take sides even about the administration of a particular State. The papers are little concerned with that, and are absorbed in the petty interests of the localities where they are published. At lest that is how it is in Massachusetts."

Q. Representatives and senators are elected every year. Is there sometimes as a result a complete change of the legislative body?
A. No. Generally three-quarters of the members are re-elected.

Q. Does the choice of governor give rise to a lot of intrigue and are the elections stormy?
A. The Governor of Massachusetts has but little power and only holds office for a year. It follows that there is no great passion in men's longing to achieve that position and they can always hope to succeed in a year's time; this moderates the heat of faction. In Pennsylvania where the Governor has a great deal of power, for instance that of removing as well as appointing public officials, and where he stays in office for three years, the elections are often strongly contested.

Q. Is it essential for the President of the United States, in order to carry on the government, to have a majority in Congress?
A. No. The opposite has often happened. General Jackson did not have a majority in the last Congress.

Mr. Sparks added: "The political dogma of this country is that the majority is always right. By and large we are very well satisfied to have adopted it, but one cannot deny that experience often gives the lie to the principle. (He quoted several examples of this.) Sometimes the majority has wished to oppress the minority. Luckily we have in the Governor's veto, and especially in the judges' power to refuse to apply an unconstitutional law, guarantees against the passions and mistakes of democracy."

He also said: "I think our origin is the fact that best explains our government and our manners. When we arrived here we were enthusiastic republicans and men of religion. We found ourselves left to our own devices, forgotten in this corner of the world. Almost all societies, even in America, have begun with one place where the government was concentrated, and have then spread out around that central point. Our forefathers on the contrary founded the locality before the State.

Plymouth, Salem, Charleston existed before one could speak of a government of Massachusetts; they only became united later and by an act of deliberate will. You can see what strength such a point of departure must have given to the spirit of locality which so eminently distinguishes us even among other Americans, and to republican principles. Those who would like to imitate us should remember that there are no precedents for our history."

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September 30 - Interview with Mr. Coolidge

Journal entry about Catholicism and government

Mr. Coolidge said to me today: We are not afraid of Catholicism in the United States because we are sure that with us it will be so modified that it will have no influence on our political approach. Here we have noticed that the Catholics always vote for the most democratic party. It is true that they are the poorest. Baltimore, where they predominate, is the most democratic town in the Union.

Charles Carroll is a Catholic.

Q. Do you sometimes feel the absence of government?
A. No, far from that, what worries us in the fear that it may interfere in matters where its intervention is not indispensable.

(Tocqueville, p. 48)

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Journal entry about juries

Jury
It appears from a conversation that I have just had with Mr. Coolidge that the jury here is composed from all who vote at elections; now the property qualification to be an elector is fixed so low that one can say that the whole population is on call for jury service.

Q. Do you observe any disadvantages from having the jurors taken like that from all the classes?
A. No. But our people are the most enlightened that there is in the world.

Q. Is jury service an oppressive duty?
A. No. The lot seldom falls on one.

Q. You acquiesce readily in it?
A. Yes. But nonetheless one regards it as a very disagreeable circumstance to have to form part of a jury.

Q. Do the jurors receive an indemnity?
A. Yes; they all receive a small indemnity.

Q. Do you think that the rule of unanimity is a good one?
A. I have not thought in advance how to answer that question; but I am inclined to think that it is bad, and what leads me to think so is that it often happens that the jurors cannot agree, and then others have to be called.

Note: two facts come out from this conversation, whose importance is very great.

The first, that the number of jurors is immense.

The second, that their functions are not unpaid.

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Journal entry about democratic governments

The two great social principles which seem to me to rule American society and to which one must always return to find the reason for all the laws and habits which govern it, are as follows:

1st. The majority may be mistaken on some points, but finally it is always right and there is no moral power above it.

2nd. Every individual, private person, society, community or nation, is the only lawful judge of its own interest, and, provided it does not harm the interests of others, nobody has the right to interfere.
I think that one must never lose sight of this point.

A completely democratic government is so dangerous an instrument that, even in America, men have been obliged to take a host of precautions against the errors and passions of Democracy. The establishment of two chambers, the governor's veto, and above all the establishment of the judges.

(Tocqueville, p. 148)

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