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Conversation with Mr. MacIlvaine, one of the greatest merchants of Louisville
Q. They say that the prosperity of Louisville has mad great
strides in the last few years?
A. Immense. When I came to settle here seven years ago
Louisville had only 3,000 inhabitants; it reckons 13,000 today. At the moment I by myself do more trade than the whole
of Louisville was doing seven years ago.
Q. Why has there been such a rapid increase?
A. Principally the incredible flow of emigration which is
directed towards the West. Louisville has become the entrepot for almost all the goods that go up the Mississippi to
provide for the emigrants. I think that Louisville is destined to become a very large town.
Q. Is it true that there is a great distance between the
prosperity of Kentucky and that of Ohio?
A. Yes. The difference is striking.
Q. What is the reason?
A. Slavery. I think that slavery is even more prejudicial to
the masters than to the slaves. The slaves in Kentucky are treated very gently, well fed, well clothed. Nothing is more
uncommon than to see them flee from their master's house. But slavery prevents emigrants from coming to us. It
deprives us of the energy and spirit of enterprise that characterize the States that have no slaves.
Q. Is it true that slavery prevents a State from becoming
industrialized?
A. Many people think that the Negroes cannot become good
workers in factories. I hold the opposite view. When blacks are placed young in a factory, they are as apt as the whites
to become good workmen. We have an example of that in Kentucky; several factories, worked by slaves, prosper there.
If the South is not as industrialized as the North, that is not because slaves cannot work in factories, it is because slavery
deprives the masters of the necessary industry to establish and manage them.
Q. Is it true that public opinion begins to be against slavery
in Kentucky?
A. Yes. In the last few years there has been an incredible
mental revolution. I am convinced that if one canvassed opinions man by man in Kentucky, the majority would come
out for the abolition of slavery. But we do not know what to do with the slaves. Our fathers did us terrible harm by
introducing them among us.
Q. But since opinion is so decidedly against slavery, why did
Missouri obstinately refuse to abolish it, when it was so easy to do so?
A. At that time the mental revolution of which I was speaking
just now, had by no means come about. Besides it is so convenient for new emigrants to have slaves to help them cut
the trees and clear the ground in a country where it is hardly possible to find free labor, so it is understandable that the
distant benefit of the abolition of slavery was not felt at its true value in Missouri. I think, too, that now they feel the
mistake they made.
Q. Is the black population increasing fast in Kentucky?
A. Yes, but it can never become dangerous for the white
population. The land in Kentucky is divided into small holdings; on each small holding there is a white family with a
few slaves. The division of land and the type of cultivation which requires few slaves, prevents us having hundreds of
Negroes cultivating the land of one white man as one sees in the South. With us slavery is a great evil, but not a
peril.
Q. What is cultivated in Kentucky?
A. Corn, wheat, flax, tobacco.
Q. Do you think that for those various crops, slaves would
be more economical than free labor?
A. I think the opposite. Slaves work less well than free
laborers, and also they are an expense the whole time. They must be brought up, and supported in their old age.
(Tocqueville, p. 92)
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